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Bitraga

Boas os modelos Modelo:Bitraga autor, Modelo:Bitraga obra e Modelo:Bitraga trad non van funcionar porque foi restrinxido o acceso á páxina coas fichas da base de datos, e agora só poden acceder os membros da comunidade da Universidade de Vigo. Pola mesma razón, evidentemente, as propiedades WD dos identificadores externos Identificador BiTraGa de obra e Identificador BiTraGa de autor tampouco funcionan correctamente. O mundo ao revés. Maria zaos (conversa) 22 de xaneiro de 2020 ás 08:05 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools

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This early version of the Reply tool automatically signs and indents comments.

The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.

In a future update, the team plans to test a tool for easily linking to another user's name, a rich-text editing option, and other tools.

The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.

• On 31 March 2020, the new Responder tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias: Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian. If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
• The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page. The team will test features such as:
  • an easy way to mention another editor ("pinging"),
  • a rich-text visual editing option, and
  • other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved" section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

8 de abril de 2020 ás 19:24 (UTC)

Radia Perlman

Na caixa lateral de Radia Perlman, aparece texto non traducido e non topo onde editalo: Prêmios Mulheres Visionárias do Instituto Anita Borg, Prêmio SIGCOMM, National Inventors Hall of Fame, Internet Hall of Fame e ACM Fellow. Deizón! Tiberio Feliz ^{(Déixame unha mensaxe)} 11 de abril de 2020 ás 16:28 (UTC)

Usuario:Tfeliz para traducir eses textos hai que traducilos en Wikidata. No fondo da caixa ten que haber unha ligazón "editar datos en Wikidata". Unha vez alí, localizar eses premios e pinchar no texto azul de cada un deles para poder editalos nunha ventá aparte. O que tes que engadir son as descricións e etiquetas en galego. Saúdos!.--Maria zaos (conversa) 11 de abril de 2020 ás 16:41 (UTC)

Unha vez feito isto, Usuario:Tfeliz, tes que volver a galipedia e refrescar a páxina para que se actualice a caixiña. Fixenche un par deles (os dous últimos) de exemplo. Saúdos.--Maria zaos (conversa) 11 de abril de 2020 ás 16:44 (UTC)

Usuario:Maria zaos Tardei en entender que tiña que crear primeiro as entradas en galego para que as aceptase en cada campo. Pero creo que dei co sistema. Sempre hai algo que aprender. Moitas grazas!! Deizón!! Tiberio Feliz ^{(Déixame unha mensaxe)} 11 de abril de 2020 ás 21:00 (UTC)

Improving the translation support for the Galician Wikipedia

Content translation has been successful in supporting the translation process on many Wikipedia communities, and we want to help additional wikis with potential to grow using translation as part of a new initiative.

Content translation facilitates the creation of Wikipedia articles by translating content from other languages. It has been used already to create more than half a million articles. In addition, the tool provides mechanisms to encourage the creation of good quality content, preventing the publication of lightly edited machine translations. In general, our analysis shows that the translations produced are less likely to be deleted than the articles started from scratch.

Galician Wikipedia editors have used Content translation to create more than eleven thousand articles. Given the size of the editing community, we think that there is potential to use translation to create more articles, expand existing ones, and attract new editors that learn how to make productive edits. Translation can help the community to reduce the language gap with other languages and grow the number of editors in a sustainable way. In order to achieve this goal, we want to collaborate with you to make Content translation more visible in the Galician Wikipedia and support new ways to translate.

As a first step, during the next weeks we plan to enable Content translation by default on the Galician Wikipedia. That will make it easy for users to discover the tool through several entry points. However, users not interested in translation will still be able to disable it from their preferences.

Please feel free to share any comment in this conversation thread.

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (WMF) (conversa) 11 de maio de 2020 ás 12:55 (UTC)

Tradución abaixo. Saúdos, --Elisardojm (conversa) 11 de maio de 2020 ás 16:05 (UTC)

Mellorando o soporte de tradución para a Wikipedia galega

A tradución de contido tivo éxito no apoio ao proceso de tradución en moitas comunidades de Wikipedia e queremos axudar a wikis adicionais con potencial para crecer usando a tradución como parte dunha nova iniciativa.

A tradución de contidos facilita a creación de artigos da Wikipedia traducindo contido doutros idiomas. Empregouse xa para crear máis de medio millón de artigos. Ademais, a ferramenta proporciona mecanismos para fomentar a creación de contidos de boa calidade, evitando a publicación de traducións automáticas con poucas correccións. En xeral, a nosa análise amosa que as traducións producidas son menos propensas a eliminarse que os artigos iniciados de cero.

Os editores da Wikipedia en galego utilizaron a tradución de contidos para crear máis de once mil artigos. Dado o tamaño da comunidade de edición, pensamos que hai potencial para usar a tradución para crear máis artigos, ampliar os existentes e atraer novos editores que aprendan a facer edicións produtivas. A tradución pode axudar á comunidade a reducir a brecha lingüística con outras linguas e a aumentar o número de editores dun xeito sostible. Para acadar este obxectivo, queremos colaborar con vós para facer máis visible a tradución de contidos na Wikipedia galega e apoiar novas formas de traducir.

Como primeiro paso, durante as próximas semanas temos previsto habilitar a tradución de contidos de xeito predeterminado na Wikipedia galega. Isto facilitará aos usuarios descubrir a ferramenta a través de varios puntos de entrada. Non obstante, os usuarios que non estean interesados ​​na tradución poderán deshabilitala das súas preferencias sen problema.

Por favor, non dubidedes en compartir calquera comentario neste fío.

Amir E. Aharoni (WMF), grazas por ter en conta a Galipedia neste proxecto xa que eu tamén creo que esta ferramenta pode ser de moita utilidade para a comunidade.

Dende a miña experiencia de uso da ferramenta coméntoche algunhas cousas que fun atopando:

• A ferramenta aínda da a impresión de estar en fase Beta, hai cousas que quedan co formato incorrecto, engade ligazóns nos lugares incorrectos, ás veces non engade todas as referencias do artigo orixinal, etc
• Na Galipedia a gran parte das traducións veñen de es.wiki, e as traducións automáticas que crea o tradutor de contidos teñen unha calidade bastante alta xa que a tradución entre as dúas linguas é bastante doada. Entón temos un problema, cando revisamos esas traducións automáticas temos poucos cambios que facer, nalgúns parágrafos non hai que facer ningunha modificación!, pero a ferramenta dános avisos e erros de que a tradución non ten abondo revisión, e nalgúns casos incluso non deixa publicar o artigo por esta razón. Non podemos facer máis cambios porque a tradución xa está correcta, hai que cambiar o sistema de control automático de calidade dalgún xeito, quizais aplicando controis de calidade en función da afinidade das linguas da tradución?
• Adicionalmente, temos un problema co tradutor Apertium, está a traducir cousas incorrectas (*una>una, *para>paira, París>Parises), eu xa tratei de contactar coa comunidade de Apertium pero actualmente non hai xente nesa comunidade que soporte o tradutor es-gl nin gl-es co cal non parece que eses erros, nin outras melloras, se poidan realizar a curto-medio prazo. Podería alguén da Fundación botar unha man con este problema? Saúdos, Elisardojm (conversa) 11 de maio de 2020 ás 16:41 (UTC)

Semi-automatic translation: Amir E. Aharoni (WMF), thank you for considering Galipedia in this project as I also think this tool can be very useful for the community.

From my experience of using the tool I tell you some things I've been finding:

• The tool still gives the impression of being in Beta phase, there are things that are left with the wrong format, it adds links in the wrong places, sometimes it does not add all the references of the original article, etc.
• In Galician Wikipedia most of the translations come from es.wiki, and the automatic translations created by the content translator are quite high quality as the translation between the two languages ​​is quite easy. So we have a problem, when we revise those machine translations we have few changes to make, in some paragraphs there is no need to make any changes!, but the tool gives us warnings and errors that the translation does not have enough revision, and in some cases does not even publish article for this reason. We can’t make any more changes because the translation is already correct, we need to change the automatic quality control system in some way, perhaps by applying quality controls based on the affinity of the translation languages?
• Additionally, we have a problem with the Apertium translator, it's translating incorrect things (una> una, para> paira, Paris> Parises), I have already tried to contact the Apertium community but there are currently no people in that community who support the es-gl or gl-es translator with which it does not appear that these errors, or other improvements, can be made in the short to medium term. Could someone from the Foundation lend a hand with this problem?

Thanks for the feedback, Elisardojm. One goal of the process of moving out of beta is to learn how the tool works for specific communities, your feedback is clear and very useful. Some comments to provide additional context:

• Regarding the problem of losing format or being applied to a different part of the translation, those happen with Apertium due to its plain-text nature. Apertium only supports translation of plain text, so Content Translation has to remove all format and re-apply it to the translation. Since the translated text is a different piece of context the mapping cannot be always 100% correct. Having said that, the algorithm to make such mapping can be improved, so feel free to report any pattern that you suspect it may be breaking it (for example, this ticket captures a possible problems with parenthesis).
• Regarding the references, most problems are often related to the templates used to support those. Unfortunately, templates are independently created on each wiki, so mapping them relies on the community provided metadata. If there are common templates that are not properly supported we can provide guidance on how to add the metadata for them to work better with Content Translation. Currently this is done by communities by adding templateData so that Content Translation can find equivalent parameters for two templates, but we are exploring ways to improve this situation. Recently we explored how to detect template parameter mappings automatically with a machine learning approach for some languages, we can explore doing the same for Galician.
• Regarding the limits for unmodified contents we have plans to improve the general approach among other improvements. That will allow to find a better balance between preventing low quality content to be created and avoid unnecessary blockers for cases where machine translation is already good. Our main focus has been on languages where we needed more strict limits, but it is useful to hear from communities with the opposite problem. Based on your experience, do you have an idea on which is the percentage of content that you think it is necessary to modify for the case of Spanish to Galician?
• Regarding the possibilities for improving external translation services, those are captured in this documentation page. Due to the nature of Apertium, improvements require significant linguistic and technical knowledge. With a maintainer on their side, it is possible for them to incorporate corrections form language experts, but without someone working on it the best thing that can be done is to document those to be ready when someone gets involved in the Apertium project to improve this particular language pair.

Overall these are relevant areas for improvement, and we are working to make progress on them regardless of the beta status. So I'd not consider those as blockers for moving forward with the process, but relevant areas to prioritize next. Finally, although most of the above issues may seem the one problem they may be produced by very different situations, and capturing the specific cases that produce them is essential. So I'd encourage to keep reporting and pointing to specific examples.

Thanks a lot for your help. --Pginer-WMF (conversa) 13 de maio de 2020 ás 10:55 (UTC)

Wikidata

Hoxe non consigo ligar ningún artigo cos das outras wikipedias. Non sei se falla wikidata ou é un problema do meu navegador ou doutra índole.--HacheDous=0 (conversa) 16 de maio de 2020 ás 17:28 (UTC)

Agora xa vai, aínda que tarda abondo en aparecer en wikidata.--HacheDous=0 (conversa) 16 de maio de 2020 ás 18:19 (UTC)

Replacer

Antes de seguir a empregar o Replacer para facer cambios hai que aclarar cando se pode utilizar. Hai quen afirma que empregalo para mudar formas menos recomendables segundo o DRAG está ben por estar marcado pola Galipedia como erro. Como a Galipedia non é unha autoridade lingüística e ata agora seguimos o criterio do primeiro editor, hai que aclarar se na Galipedia só se poden utilizar formas máis recomendables, que por menos recomendables se sexan non son incorrectas nin erros.--HacheDous=0 (conversa) 5 de xuño de 2020 ás 18:59 (UTC)