DrKay
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Boa estadía e bo traballo.--Paradanta (Cóntame) 11:34, 13 de outubro de 2010 (UTC)
Raíña Vitoria editar
Ola, desfixen o teu movemento de Vitoria I do Reino Unido a Vitoria do Reino Unido. Para faceres un cambio desa magnitude, primeiro cómpre que achegues referencias que apoien o motivo no que o baseas, utilizando para iso a páxina de conversa do artigo. En base a elas a comunidade consensuará se é preciso realizar o cambio que propós. Un cordial saúdo.--Paradanta (Cóntame) 11:34, 13 de outubro de 2010 (UTC)
Miguel Aleksandrovich Romanov editar
Ola. As túas edicións en Miguel Aleksandrovich Romanov non están referenciadas nin nada polo estilo. vou reverter o traslado do artigo. Un saúdo. Xoacas(ti si que es lindo, ho) 1 de decembro de 2012 ás 22:52 (UTC)
- The previous version was not referenced. My version is from Crawford. DrKay (conversa) 2 de decembro de 2012 ás 10:50 (UTC)
- First of all I don't want to start a war about this article but as you mention on your references, the book is called Michael and Natasha, The Life and Love of the Last Tsar of Russia, and as far as I understand it refers to Michael Romanov. Perhaps I'm confused, could you please explain it to me? . Secondly, Tsar Nicholas II abdicated on him on March 15th and Michael renounced to the throne next day. According to you who was the ruler of Russia those days?.-AMPERIO (olvidei a sinatura)
Thank you for replying in English.
At 3 p.m. on 15th March, Nicholas II abdicated in favour of Alexei, with Michael as Regent.[1] However, that evening, he reconsidered,[2] and in a second abdication document, signed at 11.40 p.m. but marked as having been issued at 3 p.m.,[3] he renounced the throne for himself and his son.[4] The Provisional Government had not agreed to Michael's succession and Nicholas acted unilaterally in appointing Michael as his successor,[5] even though there was no basis in law for excluding Alexei. When Michael awoke on the morning of the 16th, he discovered not only that his brother had issued an abdication notice in his favor, as Nicholas had not informed him previously, but also that a delegation including Duma President Rodzyanko, Prime Minister Prince Lvov, and other ministers, was on its way to visit him.[6] The legal position was complicated because the legitimacy of the Provisional Government, whether Nicholas had the right to remove his son from the succession, and whether Michael actually was emperor were all open to question.[7] After discussion, and several drafts, the ministers and Michael agreed a carefully worded declaration.[8] In it, Michael recognised the Provisional Government as the executive authority, and said he would only accept the throne if offered it by a Constituent Assembly. Note that Michael had not actually said he accepted the throne nor had he renounced it. He said that he would accept it if offered it by a representative legislature.[9]
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 279–281
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, p. 286
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, p. 287
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, p. 288
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 288–291
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 297–300
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 307–311
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 309–311
- ↑ Crawford and Crawford, pp. 312–313
If you do a library search or google search for "last tsar or Russia" or similar, you can very quickly see that the vast majority of references think Nicholas II was the last tsar of Russia, despite the Crawfords' choice of title. DrKay (conversa) 6 de decembro de 2012 ás 14:52 (UTC)
- You are right, most of the references say that Nicholas II was the last tsar of Russia (there's no need to search it in google because is what we all learnt at school). It's true that Nicholas first abdicated on his son Alexei (who was underage and according to the Russian Law he couldn't be tsar), with Michael as Regent. It's also true that Nicholas changed his abdication in favour of Michael, and that Michael asked for a referendum... but what i asked is: who was the ruler during the 15 and the 16th of march, or there was no ruler at all? I think it happens the same as Louis XVII of France, he never ruled but he's recognised as king of France, and his uncle Louis XVIII respected his numeration. Please answer on my talk page as it's a bit difficult to follow your answers here.--AMPERIO (conversa) 6 de decembro de 2012 ás 15:18 (UTC)
- Also what you wrote on the article says: Tras verse forzado polos revolucionarios asinou a súa abdicación (After being forced by the revolutionaries he signed his abdication), doesn't that mean that de iure De jure (English) he was the tsar? --AMPERIO (conversa) 6 de decembro de 2012 ás 15:28 (UTC)